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Rep. Lofgren: ‘Do Nothing on Copyright Law’ at Intellectual Property Breakfast Event
WASHINGTON, September 15, 2011 — Broadband Breakfast.com hosted its last monthly Intellectual Property Breakfast Club on Tuesday with a keynote address from Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif, followed by a discussion panel entitled “Video Streaming on Digital Devices: Will Broadband Clash with Copyright?”
Congresswoman Lofgren began her keynote address with the premise that content owners need to start looking at the digital world as an ally rather than a threat. “Are you going to worry about controlling content or getting paid for content,” she asked. Lofgren pointed to examples of legitimate digital platforms like Hulu and Spotify, and noted Amazon sales of $3.1 billion, to illustrate that it is possible to make money in the digital space.
Not surprisingly, the congresswoman from Silicon Valley had her reservations about proposed intellectual property enforcement legislation that would have adverse affects on the technology sector. “If we do nothing on copyright law, we would be doing everything just about right.”
WASHINGTON, September 15, 2011 — Broadband Breakfast.com hosted its last monthly Intellectual Property Breakfast Club on Tuesday with a keynote address from Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif, followed by a discussion panel entitled “Video Streaming on Digital Devices: Will Broadband Clash with Copyright?”
This breakfast was the capstone event of a series of successful intellectual property breakfasts that tackled important topics such as United States : the U.S. enforcement strategy, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, China and IP with the former Chairman of the Judiciary Committee Rep. John Conyers and the Chinese Embassy IP Attaché, E-Book licensing, and a Performance Right for Broadcasting, just to name a few.
Video Streaming on Digital Devices: Will Broadband Clash With Copyright? from BroadbandBreakfast.com.
Tuesday’s discussions focused on the conflict between copyright protections and benefits of increased broadband capabilities. Topics included: the effects of current pending legislation on the internet marketplace, the recent issues between Time Warner Cable and Viacom over content distributed on new technology platforms, and the potential effects of the Federal Communications Commissions’s AllVid proceeding on the ability of consumers to view TV everywhere.
Congresswoman Lofgren began her keynote address with the premise that content owners need to start looking at the digital world as an ally rather than a threat. “Are you going to worry about controlling content or getting paid for content,” she asked. Lofgren pointed to examples of legitimate digital platforms like Hulu and Spotify, and noted Amazon sales of $3.1 billion, to illustrate that it is possible to make money in the digital space.
Not surprisingly, the congresswoman from Silicon Valley had her reservations about proposed intellectual property enforcement legislation that would have adverse affects on the technology sector. “If we do nothing on copyright law, we would be doing everything just about right.”
”Rather than just weigh in on the content side, we should allow deals to be made so that content owners can make money off their product through web distribution deals,” she said.
Copyright law should be easier to navigate and that “there should be a system that better serves the creators of the content,” she added.
On the topic of intellectual property enforcement legislation, Lofgren chided Minnesota Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s bill setting felony penalties for illegal web streaming (the Commercial Felony Streaming Act, S. 978) because of its major chilling affect on protected speech and innovation. She praised the prior successes of what she called the “follow the money” approach of cutting up online gambling web sites’ access to credit card payment systems. By contract, the domain name system takedown approach to enforcement, and contemplated by the PROTECT IP Act (S. 968) “is a mess and will do actual damage to the internet itself.”
In her final remarks, Rep. Lofgren pointed to three things that have made innovation in her district so successful: (1) a lot of investment into science and research many years ago and many talented engineers have emerged from the Stanford engineering programs; (2) entrepreneurs unafraid to take risks, and (3) government did not get in the way. Many of the impediments to innovation come in the form of overly complex intellectual property legislation that in the end hurt content creators as much as tech innovators.
Following the Congresswoman, the audience shifted their attention to a panel of intellectual property legal experts.
Paul Glist, Partner at Davis Wright Tremaine, began the panel discussion by laying out some economic realities behind the distribution of digital programming. “From a consumer point of view, all content wants to be free. But from the point of view of creators they want to be paid.” Glist added, “Everything that broadband and wireless have enabled has challenged many of the older video distribution models.”
“Distributors, like cable operators are in a sticky situation where they identify with the content providers and struggle to protect intellectual property and deliver it to the consumer” stated Glist, “but they want to enable consumers to enjoy their content in as many different ways as possible”
With regard to the Time Warner Cable dispute with Viacom, Glist noted “what they were fighting about publicly was different than what they were really fighting about.” Glist believed that the intellectual property and licensing argument surrounding the public fight about whether the license granted by the content providers covered screens such as iPad tablets, was not the real issue.
“The real fight” claimed Glist, “was over advertising dollars.” Content providers do not yet have a way to track advertising revenues on these new very popular devises and therefore feel like they are not being made whole.
Among the highlights of the program was an explanation by Robert Schwartz, partner at Constantine Cannon, of the underlying regulatory issues behind the content distribution and licensing battles. Schwartz believed that since 1996, when Congress directed the FCC to ensure that consumers could use commercially available navigation devices to access services from pay television providers, there have been numerous unresolved questions about what service and MVPD can aggregate. “With the advent of digital devices the market saw MVPDs begin to package every element of distribution, look at the VCR,” said Schwartz.
Schwartz then referenced a copyright case where Cablevision with the support of technology companies and the public interest community set up a service that would allow users to have VCR type functions without having any recording product in the home. The case was challenged by the entertainment industry and the 2nd circuit decided that it was the consumer that had decided on this technology, and the issue of contributory infringement was no longer at issue. “Since then”, said Schwartz, “there has not been a good discussion of what it is the MVPD has the right to aggregate.”
Schwartz finished by noting that the FCC has tried to bring up this issue again through the National Broadband Plan, and put forth a proposal for an AllVid proceeding aimed at developing an interface device in the home for all consumer devices, but the proceeding has been stagnant since the Notice of Inquiry in 2010.
Brandon Dorsky, President of SUPERGOODMUSIC expressed that his major concern on the Klobuchar bill is that it could potentially criminalize some of his blogs’ behavior. Dorsky described himself as a tastemaker who helps promote the careers of artists by streaming their content on his website. Dorsky noted that “the ability to stream is especially important in the world of electronic music,” a genre he works with a lot.
“You cannot always negotiate a license…it’s hard to promote music if you cannot negotiate small licenses” said Dorsky. He also believed that hosting a link on his site for a song that he cannot negotiate a license for is not effective because readers rarely click through.
Victoria Phillips, Professor at the Washington College of Law at American University raised the point that in the days of over the air TV, a consumer could bring a TV out on their porch and receive signal. Phillips thought it was ironic how constrained we are by our set top boxes and hoped the AllVid proceeding would loosen the grip of the boxes. “There is so much going on that consumers want to do in their home” stated Phillips “The AllVid proceeding is an interesting approach to eliminate some of the ongoing sedimentary layer…and I hope the Broadband Plan and this proceeding can break us out of some of these silos we are in.”
Glist disagreed and joked that while it was wonderful to get all twelve channels anywhere, there was two-way capability and interactive features that cable boxes provide today. He added, “can you harness creativity through a business-to-business approach or do you want the government to be the solution? Industry is moving too fast so government is probably going to get it wrong.”
Although the monthly Intellectual Property Breakfast Club is being discontinued, don’t miss the beginning of the Broadband Breakfast Club season on Tuesday, September 20, 2011. Registration for the event, on “Making Cities of the Future Smarter Through Broadband,” is available at http://broadbandbreakfast.eventbrite.com. The Broadband Breakfast Club is sponsored by Comcast, Google, ICF International, Intel, the National Cable and Telecommunications Association and the Telecommunications Industry Association.
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Broadband Breakfast on April 5, 2023 – State Digital Equity Plans
Hear state broadband leaders talk about how they are approaching the digital equity planning process.

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Wednesday, April 5, 2023, 12 Noon ET – State Digital Equity Plans
The Digital Equity Act, part of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act of 2021, provides $2.75 billion for three grant programs aiming to promote digital equity. The $60 million State Planning Program, $1.44 billion State Capacity Program and $1.25 Competitive Program will fund a variety of digital equity projects across the country, from planning to implementation. In this session of Broadband Breakfast Live Online, state broadband leaders will talk about how their states are approaching the digital equity planning process and what they hope to accomplish with the federal funding.
As with all Broadband Breakfast Live Online events, the FREE webcasts will take place at 12 Noon ET on Wednesday.
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Broadband Breakfast on March 29, 2023 – Cost-Sharing and Other Compliance Requirements for Broadband Deployment
How should state broadband offices approach cost-sharing and other BEAD compliance requirements?

See Treasury Announces New Compliance Obligations for Broadband Grants, Broadband Breakfast, March 31, 2023
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Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 12 Noon ET – Cost-Sharing and Other Compliance Requirements for Broadband Deployment
One key factor in the $42.5 Broadband Equity, Access and Deployment program is the matching requirement: Subgrantees must find matching funds of at least 25 percent of the total project cost. Matching funds can be provided by local governments, utility companies, nonprofit organizations and other entities. In addition, states are required to incentivize higher matches whenever possible. How should state broadband offices approach cost-sharing and other compliance requirements as they prepare for broadband deployment?
Panelists
- Carol Mattey, Principal, Mattey Consulting LLC
- Brooke Coleman, Senior Manager of Business Development, Widelity
- Jorge Fuenzalida, Managing Partner, JLA Advisors
- Drew Clark (moderator), Editor and Publisher, Broadband Breakfast
Carol Mattey, founder of Mattey Consulting LLC, has over 30 years of experience as a senior executive in the U.S. government, consultant and lawyer focusing on communications public policy. From 2010 to 2017, Carol was Deputy Chief of the Wireline Competition Bureau at the Federal Communications Commission, focusing on the FCC’s ongoing initiatives to reform over $9 billion in annual federal spending known as the Universal Service Fund, which supports broadband connectivity for rural areas, schools, libraries, healthcare providers and low-income consumers. She led the development and implementation of the Connect America Fund to extend broadband to unserved areas in the United States. After leaving the FCC in 2017, Ms. Mattey formed a consulting practice that focuses on government funding strategy and execution, public policy advocacy, and regulatory compliance
Brooke Coleman is the Senior Manager of the Business Development division of Widelity’s Compliance Team. Her expertise lies in federal and state grant programs, specializing in broadband programs created by multiple government acts, such as the American Rescue Plan, IIJA, and more. With a background and Master’s Degree in Instructional Practice, her unique perspective aids clients in accessing the money that they need for underserved and unserved communities in need of broadband assistance.
Jorge Fuenzalida is a Managing Partner of JLA Advisors and has more than 25 years of telecommunications experience directing projects for wireless and wireline telecommunications carriers, equipment manufacturers, cable MSOs, and private equity companies in areas of wireless technology, corporate strategy, and wireless solutions. Prior to joining JLA, Jorge was Head of Strategy & Planning for Ericsson’s Digital Services unit in North America, and previously vice president and general manager of inCode Consulting (division of Ericsson Inc.).
Drew Clark (moderator) is CEO of Breakfast Media LLC. He has led the Broadband Breakfast community since 2008. An early proponent of better broadband, better lives, he initially founded the Broadband Census crowdsourcing campaign for broadband data. As Editor and Publisher, Clark presides over the leading media company advocating for higher-capacity internet everywhere through topical, timely and intelligent coverage. Clark also served as head of the Partnership for a Connected Illinois, a state broadband initiative.

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Broadband Breakfast on March 22, 2023 – Robocalls, STIR/SHAKEN and the Future of Voice Telephony
Has the FCC succeeded in making the STIR/SHAKEN framework work?

See Experts Debate Whether Originating or Terminating Providers Hold Robocall Responsibility, Broadband Breakfast, March 22, 2023
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Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 12 Noon ET – Robocalls, STIR/SHAKEN and the Future of Voice Telephony
The Federal Communications Commission calls the fight against illegal robocall traffic its “top consumer protection priority.” The agency’s March 16 meeting heard discussion of several proposed rules to strengthen STIR/SHAKEN, from requiring intermediate providers to authenticate certain calls to adopting more robust enforcement tools. Required by the Telephone Robocall Abuse Criminal Enforcement and Deterrence Act of 2019, has the FCC succeeded in making the STIR/SHAKEN framework work? Or is voice telephony still at the mercy of robocallers?
- Margot Saunders, Senior Attorney, National Consumer Law Center
- Jeff Pulver, Founder, Vonage
- Glenn Richards, Partner, Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP
- Jonathan Marashlian, Managing Partner, The CommLaw Group
- Drew Clark (moderator), Editor and Publisher, Broadband Breakfast
Panelist resources
- Legislating to Stop the Onslaught of Annoying Robocalls, Margot Saunders, April 30, 2019
- Illegal Robocalls: Calling All to Stop the Scourge, Margot Saunders, April 11, 2019
- FCC Expands Robocall Regime to Intermediaries, Establishes Robotext Protections, Broadband Breakfast, March 16, 2023
- VON Evolution Conference Will Address Intersection of Telecom, AI, 5G and Blockchain, Broadband Breakfast, March 21, 2023
- U.S. Robocall Mitigation Ecosystem Demands All Telecommunications Companies Pay Attention as New Threats Emerge and Compliance Balloons Well Beyond Mere FCC Compliance, The CommLaw Group
- CommLaw Group Robocall Mitigation Response Team
- Introduction to CommLaw Commpliance Group
Margot Saunders is currently a senior staff attorney with the National Consumer Law Center (NCLC) after serving as managing attorney of NCLC’s Washington, D.C. office from 1991 to 2005. Margot has testified before Congress more than two dozen times regarding a wide range of consumer law issues, including predatory mortgage lending, high cost small loans, payments law, electronic commerce, protecting benefits in bank accounts, privacy issues, and robocalls. She was the lead advocate on the passage of the Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act, the development of the Treasury Rule protecting exempt benefits, and many other initiatives.
Jeff Pulver is a tech industry icon, a pioneer in the field of Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), and a leading advocate for internet freedom. In the late 1990s, Pulver saw the potential for VoIP to revolutionize the way we communicate and founded the company Vonage, one of the first VoIP service providers. As VoIP began to gain traction, Pulver faced resistance from traditional telephone companies and regulators. In 2003, he took on the establishment and petitioned the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). In 2004 the FCC issued the “Pulver Order” which ensured that VoIP services would not be subject to traditional telephone regulation. This decision paved the way for the widespread adoption of VoIP and transformed the way we communicate.
Glenn Richards is Pillsbury’s Communications Practice Group Leader. Based in Washington, DC, he is a recognized authority on IP communications regulations and telecommunications policies and issues. Glenn represents VoIP and cloud communications service providers; satellite, wireless, long-distance and competitive local exchange carriers; broadcasters; equipment manufacturers; trade associations and others in transactional matters and before the FCC and state public utilities commissions. A partner in the firm’s Global Sourcing practice, Glenn also negotiates global telecommunications service contracts for large corporations.
Jonathan Marashlian is experienced in nearly all aspects of federal and state communications law and regulation. He has represented clients of all shapes and sizes and from all corners of the Communications/VoIP, Broadband, IoT and Information Technology industries for over 25 years. As Managing Partner of The CommLaw Group, Mr. Marashlian is responsible for coordinating and managing attorneys and professional staff and guiding the firm’s clients through the maze of federal, state and international regulatory, communications tax, and other compliance requirements.
Drew Clark (moderator) is CEO of Breakfast Media LLC. He has led the Broadband Breakfast community since 2008. An early proponent of better broadband, better lives, he initially founded the Broadband Census crowdsourcing campaign for broadband data. As Editor and Publisher, Clark presides over the leading media company advocating for higher-capacity internet everywhere through topical, timely and intelligent coverage. Clark also served as head of the Partnership for a Connected Illinois, a state broadband initiative.

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